Honerine Mine and the Jeremiah Etherington Trajedy

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  • RedRockXJ
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    Mojave Miner
    • Jun 2008
    • 105

    #31
    Originally posted by Stuart
    Great writeup Craig! I'm glad you were able to get out to the Honerine! Its a fun mine and is very historically significant, you referenced some of this with the first telephone in the county comment You should do some research on Captain Conner and the Honering Mine. It is quite ironic that I was just telling you about Etherington and you just happened to visit the grisly scene of his last folly later that day. I would love to sit down with his buddy Corey some day and get the real version of what happened down there, I have heard three different versions of the story and don't know which one to believe. I do know for a fact that Corey and Jeremiah climbed, descended, and squeezed into some of the most sketchy of places inside all the mines out in that area. Just yesterday I dropped down that winze with Miah and Crystal and right at the bottom found the initials JE 95 and "Greatest Miner Ever" Corey B. I'm not sure how they got down that winze, but I highly doubt it was done with the proper safety gear. It really is too bad it all ended for them the way it did.

    The days of visiting this mine are limited, Unfortunately the DOGM is planning on sealing this mine up permanently this summer in their "Kessler" project.
    Stuart, I know Cory Burningham personally and heard the real story directly from him. Him and Jeremiah were actually quite knowledgeable about all the mines out there and did their research quite well. But, they were incorrect about 1 thing.

    When they went exploring this particular shaft, they completely underestimated it's depth. They thought that it was only 50 feet deep connecting to the lower level that the other decline shafts in the mine connects to. Jeremiah used a tow rope that he had in his pack, and tied off to the boiler that you guys have seen in that room. He then tied it around his legs and waste to act as a harness. The plan was to go down as far as he could to see if he could get to the bottom, or at least see the bottom. He got down about 30 feet when his so called "harness" was coming loose. He found a large timber that was horizontally wedged across the shaft to rest his body weight on while he readjusted. At this point, both Cory and Jeremiah could still see each other quite well. Cory watched and helped by shining light for Jeremiah when the timber began to slide to one side. Jeremiah looked up at Cory in fear at the very second it broke loose. The rest it to disturbing to tell.

    Cory called out to him for a few minutes, assuming that the shaft was only about 50 feet deep. With no reply, he finally left to get help from 2 friends that were waiting outside. For 2 days, Cory believed that Jeremiah was still alive, having no clue that he had actually fell 650 feet down. The search and rescue guys finally identified the shaft and it's true depth, and tried to access the shaft from another mines decline shaft that was said to merge to it at the 600 foot level, but had no luck finding it.

    Him and Jeremiah's uncle who was a salt lake city fireman, worked for over 12 hours straight to pull his body out. There was a lot of debris and wedged timbers that had to be hoisted up to open the shaft before they could pull his body up. The condition of Jeremiah's body traumatized Cory. He has a hard time telling that part of the story. To this day, he says the event still haunts him.
    Last edited by RedRockXJ; 08-06-2015, 08:10 PM.
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    • RedRockXJ
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      • Jun 2008
      • 105

      #32
      To your questions about the Bauer

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      • lobster68w
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        • Dec 2008
        • 179

        #33
        Originally posted by RedRockXJ

        When they went exploring this particular shaft, they completely underestimated it's depth. They thought that it was only 50 feet deep connecting to the lower level that the other decline shafts in the mine connects to.

        Given the fact that they were in so many different mines, a simple toss of a rock down that shaft should of told them something. When we were out there this spring, I did just that and it tumbled for quite a while. Scary to think of someone falling down that. It's too bad it ended that way.


        Éirinn go Brách

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        • Mark1955
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          Mojave Outlaw
          • Dec 2008
          • 262

          #34
          Exactly! When ever I come across an open shaft I always toss as large a rock as is laying around down it to try to get an idea how deep it is. Most shafts are VERY deep and you sometmies hear the rock hitting stuff for anywhere from 10 seconds to nearly 30. The Jeriamiah ordeal was indeed a tragedy but it could also have been prevented with a simple safety harness.

          I also finally have the ocnverter box to be able to post this on You-Tube so will post here again when I have the time to get it done.

          Mark

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          • RedRockXJ
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            Mojave Miner
            • Jun 2008
            • 105

            #35
            I completely agree. I think that Cory's story is to help Jeremiah's reputation, because nobody in their right mind would play in a shaft that has no bottom. Just my opinion, but who knows.
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            • Joanne
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              • Jul 2009
              • 490

              #36
              As I read this thread I had a number of thoughts and emotions go through my mind. On one hand Jeremiah made a series of bad decisions that ultimately lead to his death. It would be easy enough to write the event off as Darwin doing his thing. On the other hand, a mother and father lost a child. Siblings lost a brother. I feel deeply for them.

              In life most bad decisions don’t lead to death of our selves or others. (An obvious exception is when we get behind the wheel of a car.) In my younger days I too made my share of bad decisions and I believe that it is only by the hand of God that I am still here. Some of my friends were not so lucky.

              After I graduated from high school I heard the story about one of our classmates who decided to smoke pot before rappelling off of a 120 ft cliff. He rigged the rope backwards through the breaker bars. When he leaned back and loaded the rope, the breaker bars popped open and he fell the full height of the cliff. By any standard he should have died from the fall, but he landed in some bushes which was just enough to break his fall. He was "lucky" to have only broken his back and a number of other bones.

              The death of Jeremiah can be debated, but I believe that the true tragedy is if we don’t learn from his death. We can’t teach people good judgment or common sense. What we can do is make certain that we don’t minimize the legitimate risks when we talk to people about mine exploration. We can discuss and analyze these events to identify points of poor judgment and/or poor technique. We can also discuss appropriate ways to push the boundaries of exploration. This is a hazardous sport and needs to be treated as such.

              More than any other aspect of mine exploration, the vertical drops in these mines present an ever present danger. Those without the proper training, judgment and experience shouldn’t be messing around these shafts. By their very nature, most of them are deep enough to be dangerous. How many of us would walk right up to the edge of a 500 foot cliff at the Grand Canyon and look over to see if we could see the bottom? Last time I was up at the North Rim, search and rescue was recovering the body of a 21 year old who had done just that.

              Anyway, I hope the discussion continues. Not to condemn or defend Jeremiah, but rather to expand our body of knowledge in mine exploration techniques and methods.


              Just my 2¢ worth,
              Joanne
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              • RedRockXJ
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                • Jun 2008
                • 105

                #37
                Great point. I agree completely. I stand by your words when you say knowing your limitations and using correct judgment. Educating others about these things is very important as well like you said. I for one, will no longer go in the Honerine mine. For me, I find it to be completely unsafe and I try to tell others the dangers of that mine, and suggest for others to stay out of it. The stability of that mine is frightening, and I get frustrated sometimes when thrill seekers go in there only because of Jeremiah. It's disturbing.

                I know my limitations and my comfort level, and will not push my self to ever surpass it. I do my best to educate the same to others.

                EDIT:
                Please know that I only posted Cory's story to clarify any other stories or rumors people have told or heard. I mean no disrespect to Jeremiah. I know of a few stories that have been circulating that are completely false. If anyone happens to hear a story that isn't true, please correct it out of courtesy to Cory and Jeremiah's family.
                Josh
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                • UnderUtah
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                  • Jun 2008
                  • 214

                  #38
                  Well stated all. I think we all recognize the risks inherent to mine exploration, and each individual takes their own life and potentially the lives of others in their hands each time we go out. While training and a heavy investment in the proper gear are absolute minimums, we cannot forget that unexpected things happen. Whether you improperly rig your rack and you suddenly depart from the rope or some unforseen or improbable incident occurs, being underground can definately multiply the risks. I try to be as prepared as possible whenever venturing out - from the proper gear and backups to insistent nagging of fellow explorers to constantly reformulating plans to deal with the "what if" scenarios adventure can throw at you. Thanks for your insight on this compelling subject.
                  Miah
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                  • Mark1955
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 262

                    #39
                    Any sport/hobby has it's own set of risks that go along with it... Someore dangerous than others. There is no way around that around that aspect. I've been in various mines well over a hundred times and have yet to have even a close call... knock on wood. Same for when I was shipwreck and cave diving... no close calls there either. Know your limits and operate with in them.

                    Mark

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                    • Rdj
                      Junior Member
                      Mojave Baby
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 2

                      #40
                      The real story

                      There is many different storeys that go with this I was only 8 years old my brother being Corey burningham I have first hand knowledge and can say that they did not scare easy from any place and all though under funded got to places even I with all the equipment I can buy cant get to all these places he has that I'm sure nobody else has either this was a terrible accident if u want the real story contact me and I can introduce you to Corey for the first hand story as he seen it

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                      • KDT1970
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                        • Sep 2009
                        • 121

                        #41
                        I would think every single member here would love to hear the story, myself included!!!!
                        I have been in there a few times and have even video taped some of it.

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                        • Danb
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                          • Sep 2009
                          • 88

                          #42
                          I was going through some old files over the weekend and found an old newspaper article about Jeremiah Etherington. Deseret News Sunday, AUG 15 1996.
                          Story Name: Risky Business.

                          Here is a link. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/509361/RISKY-BUSINESS--LUST-FOR-WEALTH-AND-ADVENTURE-LURES-EXPLORERS-INTO-ABANDONED-MINES-OF-WEST.html
                          The online article doesn’t have the photos that are in the paper. Cory Burningham displaying artifacts and John Rush in a mine.

                          Dan
                          We do it underground and under water.
                          Claims Manager, Utah Gold Prospector Club

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                          • josh bernhard
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                            • Jan 2011
                            • 40

                            #43
                            Anybody know more details of the locomotive story? While I am skeptical about stories of lost locomotives sealed up in tunnels (there are so many of them) this is interesting. Is it supposed to be a standard underground loco, or something bigger?

                            Thanks,

                            Josh B.
                            Josh Bernhard

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                            • Ossyconno
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                              • Jun 2010
                              • 37

                              #44
                              I am skeptical also. A full sized loco? I doubt it! Where would they have used it?

                              The Bauer drain tunnel was only 7'x7' at its largest and the fact that they were always fighting problems of collapse through the one mile section of Bonneville sandbar by way of sand tight reenforcement timber, I can only see a battery electric loco being used. Vibration, I bet was a major factor to timber failure.

                              I will go back through my research and see if I can locate a picture I have of the area and also a article I once read about the tunnel and those who had to do the reenforcement repairs to still allow a 36" wide loco through....

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                              • Rdj
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                                • Dec 2011
                                • 2

                                #45
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                                Email me at [email protected] and I'll give u Corey's number

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